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Post by MikeB on Mar 28, 2020 13:56:53 GMT -5
Well what a way to get back into modeling right? LOL I had gotten the bug a few months ago but didn't really do anything but after talking to Rick Faeth I decided to get going again With the lockdown I now have much more time then I did so why not LOL I was trying to come with something to build I wanted to do something challenging but not something that was going to take forever while looking for inspiration I came across two of my fave posts on this forum Jim's ( illeagle10 ) and Lance's build of the 1972 winner so boom I had my subject but then came the hard part both Bill Jorgensen and Lance had done kits of this car (Bill's was a conversion and Lance's a full kit) but finding one turned out to be next to impossible then one of Lance's did pop up on eBay but the ending price was way too rich for my wallet so what to do next? I found a listing for a AMT M16C kit the price was right and I did have a Clindinst drawing of the car so I thought why not try it Jim's Build Lance's Build
The good old AMT M16C kit not the most accurate but not a bad starting point The Clidinst drawing this should get me to where I need to be I started by gluing the tub together I used good old liquid plastic cement to weld everything togather and give me a strong base to start with I filled the area next to the walls with some paper clay I like using this for filling areas and building up mass this stuff air dries it's cheap and perfect for this kind of work Next I mixed up some Milput to start shaping the back of the tub and the nose once the nose is done I will tackle what has always been the hardest part of this kit for me the front of the tub getting the right look in that area will make or break this build IMHO While the milput dried I started to think about how I was going to do the cowling after placing the kit piece onto the drawing I see a good starting point I really thought I would have to do a total scratch build for this part but my eyes see how I can convert the kit part into the right look for this build This is where I'm going to start by removing the blacked out parts after that I should be able to do this with some putty and sanding Thank for looking
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Post by illeagle10 on Mar 28, 2020 17:39:57 GMT -5
This one aught to prove interesting Mike! The 72 McLaren I'm still working on was hard enough with having most of the right parts. I did check my spares for you. I thought I had an extra set of side pods. However, they turned out to be 71 McLaren side pods. The 71 side pods were not as deep as the 72 side pods, sorry.
What is taking me so long on my build is that first I wanted to do most of the plumbing, which has turned into somewhat of a nightmare. Second, I am working on the geometry of the correct wing supports and making a number of small parts,..ie..oil cooler, gear shift and linkage, correct seat belts, dash,....etc.
Jim
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Post by MikeB on Mar 28, 2020 17:46:03 GMT -5
This one aught to prove interesting Mike! The 72 McLaren I'm still working on was hard enough with having most of the right parts. I did check my spares for you. I thought I had an extra set of side pods. However, they turned out to be 71 McLaren side pods. The 71 side pods were not as deep as the 72 side pods, sorry. What is taking me so long on my build is that first I wanted to do most of the plumbing, which has turned into somewhat of a nightmare. Second, I am working on the geometry of the correct wing supports and making a number of small parts,..ie..oil cooler, gear shift and linkage, correct seat belts, dash,....etc. Jim Jim do you have any pictures of the wing supports? I'm trying something crazy with this one I'm gonna do the suspensions, turbo, injectors and wing supports in 3D so I can print them I just haven't found anything for the wing supports
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Post by illeagle10 on Mar 28, 2020 18:04:32 GMT -5
This one aught to prove interesting Mike! The 72 McLaren I'm still working on was hard enough with having most of the right parts. I did check my spares for you. I thought I had an extra set of side pods. However, they turned out to be 71 McLaren side pods. The 71 side pods were not as deep as the 72 side pods, sorry. What is taking me so long on my build is that first I wanted to do most of the plumbing, which has turned into somewhat of a nightmare. Second, I am working on the geometry of the correct wing supports and making a number of small parts,..ie..oil cooler, gear shift and linkage, correct seat belts, dash,....etc. Jim Jim do you have any pictures of the wing supports? I'm trying something crazy with this one I'm gonna do the suspensions, turbo, injectors and wing supports in 3D so I can print them I just haven't found anything for the wing supports Let me look through my pictures and see what I have. I will get back to you.
Jim
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Post by illeagle10 on Mar 29, 2020 8:08:29 GMT -5
Here are a few pictures of the the wing supports, hope this helps you out. As you can see that the wing supports are very different from what AMT kit and Bill Jorgensen had included with his update kit. Just to let you too, the AMT cockpit cowling is very different from the actual 72 car. Here is a couple of pictures for comparison, between Lance's new 72 McLaren kit on the left and the AMT Kit on the right; If you are converting the AMT cowl, a lot of cutting and putty will be needed. Also, there were subtle differences even between the Jorgensen cowl on the left, and the Sellers cowl on the right, as you can see. I went with the Sellers cowl because of the added NACA ducts and had to add the headrest since it was a 71 cowl. Lance did not have his kit in production when I started my kit. I also elected to use Lance's cowl because I was using the 71 body. Just a little bit better fit. Jim
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Post by illeagle10 on Mar 29, 2020 8:13:50 GMT -5
This one aught to prove interesting Mike! The 72 McLaren I'm still working on was hard enough with having most of the right parts. I did check my spares for you. I thought I had an extra set of side pods. However, they turned out to be 71 McLaren side pods. The 71 side pods were not as deep as the 72 side pods, sorry. What is taking me so long on my build is that first I wanted to do most of the plumbing, which has turned into somewhat of a nightmare. Second, I am working on the geometry of the correct wing supports and making a number of small parts,..ie..oil cooler, gear shift and linkage, correct seat belts, dash,....etc. Jim Jim do you have any pictures of the wing supports? I'm trying something crazy with this one I'm gonna do the suspensions, turbo, injectors and wing supports in 3D so I can print them I just haven't found anything for the wing supports Here is also a picture between the side pods of the 71 on the left and the 72 on the right.
Jim
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Post by MikeB on Mar 29, 2020 8:20:42 GMT -5
Awesome pics Jim
The wing support pics are exactly what I was looking for and it seems like I was headed in the right direction for them
Yes the cowl is very different but as you said with putty and sanding I can make it work at least I hope I can lol
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Post by illeagle10 on Mar 29, 2020 8:39:35 GMT -5
One final note, there are also differences between the noses on the cars. The AMT kit is too rounded and too short. I see that you have already added putty to lengthen it. However the nose needs to be flattened out. The actual nose for the 72 car was actually a shortened 71 nose. Here is a picture of three noses. Starting on the left is Lance's 71 McLaren nose. In the middle is Bill Jorgensen's 72 McLaren nose. On the right is a copy of a resin from the AMT McLaren kit. I used Bill Jorgensen's 72 McLaren resin nose as a template to shorten Lance Sellers 71 McLaren nose. It made for a perfect combination. As seen in this picture of the hybrid Sellers and Jogensen72 McLaren on the left and Lance's 71 McLaren on the right. I think those are the major differences between the AMT 76 McLaren kit and the 72 McLaren, other than the body shape. I may tackle that at a later time. I hope this has been some help to you. Jim
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Post by illeagle10 on Mar 29, 2020 8:51:07 GMT -5
I also forgot that the engine setup is somewhat different. I believed the AMT kit actually gives you somewhat of an older set up for the Offy engine. Indycals/Shapeways have a really nice resin set up for the plumbing of the Offy along with the correct suspension. www.indycals.net/parts/indyparts/72mclarenparts.html Indycals also used to sell the Offy block but I do not see that available anymore, but he does have the rear wing available. Jim
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Post by MikeB on Mar 29, 2020 9:07:39 GMT -5
Yeah I pulled the putty off of the nose last night and started to redo it
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Post by MikeB on Mar 29, 2020 10:12:10 GMT -5
Quick post of 2 of the parts I'm going to be 3D printing
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Post by MikeB on Mar 29, 2020 11:21:13 GMT -5
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Post by illeagle10 on Mar 29, 2020 12:56:08 GMT -5
I might just be easier just 3D print the whole car! LOL!
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Post by MikeB on Mar 29, 2020 13:39:34 GMT -5
I might just be easier just 3D print the whole car! LOL! LOL If I had a resin 3D printer it probably would be LOL
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Post by illeagle10 on Mar 29, 2020 13:46:06 GMT -5
Final installment of changes from a McLaren M16c to an M16b. The shape of the M16b is much thinner and not a bulbous as the M16c. It's totally a different shape. I would say that the M16b is as different from the M16c as the M16c is from the M24. The M16c is also deeper and thicker than the M16b. That is why the M16b has the "bumps" at the front of the chassis to house the shocks. One other mention about the nose. The M16c is not only shorter but thinner at the front than the M16A. You can see why Lance Sellers and Bill Jorgensen did completely different bodies for their kits when compared to Clidinst drawings. While Lance's kit is a beautiful full kit and really up to date in every way. Bill's kit is an update kit, while still accurate, is over 25 years old and probably closer to 30! Bill's kit gave you the body, cowl, nose, side pods, front suspension and windscreen. The only thing you really used from the AMT kit with Bill's kit was the engine, wheels and tires. Well Good luck Mike on your build. Jim
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