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Post by alwaysindy on Dec 6, 2016 14:07:20 GMT -5
I have been DEEP in this the last couple of months... It has been a pain and a joy... Before scoops and panel lines Nearing the finish line... And lastly... Sooooooo, what car is this? Who designed it? Who developed it? Why is it significant? Tim
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Post by herk56 on Dec 6, 2016 14:36:15 GMT -5
'62 Mickey Thompson Harvey Aluminum Spl., Dan Gurney's rookie car, qualified 7th.
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Post by MikeB on Dec 6, 2016 16:15:49 GMT -5
Feking SWEETTTTTTTTTTT
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Post by Lance on Dec 6, 2016 21:31:28 GMT -5
VERY COOL!!
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Post by illeagle10 on Dec 7, 2016 13:11:17 GMT -5
Looks like it's coming along pretty nice! If you need pictures, I took a bunch of detail pictures this past May at Indy for the car in it's 63 colors. Let me know.
Jim
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Post by offset on Dec 7, 2016 14:39:19 GMT -5
Looks great
Ralph
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Post by jj66 on Dec 7, 2016 15:18:11 GMT -5
That's a great job Tim!
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Post by offset on Dec 10, 2016 22:00:03 GMT -5
Hi Tim It's Ralph again. I have a link to a lot of photos that will help you on this project, click on this link and remember to save it. www.flickr.com/photos/thehenryford/sets/72157631227767472/. This will bring you into page one of an album of about 1400 photos of the 1967 Indy 500. Most of them are not of the race,but people and the cars. Look at the top left of page one and you will see a legend [ Back to albums list ]. Click on this,it will bring you back to a lot of albums. Scroll to the bottom and in the center under all the albums you will see a connection to page two. Click on page two, scroll down four rows and look at the center album photo. It is this car. open the album and on the first page are about fifty photos of all three of these cars, many are close up with the skin off the cars. Just about any detail you could want building this car. There are four hundred and eighteen photos in this album. I haven't gone through many of the other albums ,but I think the other racing albums are going to be of grate value to all of us. Good luck Ralph Ralph Ellery Offset Brooksville Fl
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Post by alwaysindy on Dec 11, 2016 14:16:58 GMT -5
Ralph: WOW!!!! These are so cool! I left the rear end smooth because I was unsure of it...if you watch the 1962 Indy 500 video, the car's rear appears to have a semi- open bottom during qualifying but all smooth during the race pictures...this album seems to agree with my assessment that none of the 3 cars were identical, and also were modified day to day...the 33 was also bright red! Thanks again Ralph! Tim
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Post by offset on Dec 12, 2016 11:19:13 GMT -5
Hi Tim Glad To help. I was thinking about this one myself. Actually about all 3 years, even the last one to complete the series. But first I have to scratch build the 63 as I did not get back into the hobby in time to get one of Lance's. Good luck on a great looking build. Ralph
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Post by alwaysindy on Dec 12, 2016 12:13:46 GMT -5
Ralph: I agree about the M/T cars...I don't have Lance's roller skate either...when I started this, it dawned on me that this is the best looking of the three years at Indy for Mickey...Also found out M/T hired John Croswaithe to design and build it with the specification to build the car around a Buick stock block engine...Thompson just did the development part...Gurney felt the car was great but Mickey just HAD to keep messing with it...from photos it appears that every time it showed up, something had been changed... Another one of those great Indy 500 stories: woulda, coulda, shoulda, but fate intervened... Tim
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Post by Chris Hale on Dec 12, 2016 15:03:40 GMT -5
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Post by alwaysindy on Dec 12, 2016 17:37:03 GMT -5
Oh oh! Mistake! John Croswaite designed it, and helped Thompson and his guys build it in 120 days... Tim
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Post by offset on Dec 12, 2016 23:58:45 GMT -5
Hi Tim If you want to see how Thompson messed up things read Art Garner's book Black Noon about the 64 race. If what he says is correct you have to stop laying all the blame for the crash on Dave MacDonald. The 64 car was a poorly redesigned and not properly tested 63. From what Garner says it was a very poor handling machine. Read the book and see how not to run a racing team. You can get the book on Ebay. I have some Ideas on the 63 car if they work out I'll let everyone know. Talk to you later. Good luck Ralph
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Post by alwaysindy on Dec 13, 2016 11:14:31 GMT -5
Ralph: Read it shortly after release...there are dozens of sites discussing the problematic 1964 Indy 500...after much research, I have come to this conclusion: no one understood the cars or how to make them aero efficient...if you look at the noses of the different 64 M/T cars, there are differences that effected the ability to keep the nose down...MacDonald qualified decently, so the cars worked at times...however, no practice with full tanks, and little running with other cars...MacDonald, like most good racers, put the pedal down and tried to move to the front early in the race...coming out of the fourth turn, he steered right (and probably would have made it) to pass a car, then suddenly had to "jerk the wheel right" when the car in front of him did the exact same thing...in Garners' book, a track worker was looking back down the track instead of watching Clark sprint into a big lead...he testified that the M/T car's nose lifted into the air... At that point in time, Dave MacDonald was just along for the ride...everything after the nose lift was just plain physics...backward into the interior restraining wall, gas tank split open,huge fire when the exhaust ignited the gas, and then a sickening, slow roll into the center of the track, followed by Sachs and others directly into the burning car... Some claim that DM had "the rookie curse" of trying to win the Indy 500 on the first few laps...as for me, I always give the drivers the benefit of the doubt..."hey, just run around slow and we'll get some prize money" is rarely heard when drivers are chosen... Moral of the story? Whenever you deal with forces you don't understand (aero,downforce, lift, etc.), you can make the car a handful for the driver...so the blame lies on M/T and D/M for not knowing what they were dealing with... Just my opinion... Tim
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