NEW PLASTIC INDYCAR KITS!!!!!!!

[MikeB]

Salvino's JR just posted on their Facebook page no details yet but holy crap

[illeagle10]

Well it's about time we see something new from a major manufacturer on the Indy car front!

Jim

[Dan Belcher]

Very exciting news!

[illeagle10]

I heard that these kits will be in 1/20th scale. I am a little disappointed in that. Would've liked to see them in 1/25th scale. First is the cost, second there are only a few 1/20 scale Indy cars. There is the old MPC Turbine car and the Tamiya 93 Lola. There are a couple of resin 1/20th, but that's all I can think of off hand.

There are far more 1/25 scale Indy cars and it would've made for a better donor kit along with all the other possibilities for a new car in 1/25.

Jim

[MikeB]

Aug 10, 2023 4:51:11 GMT -5 illeagle10 said:

I heard that these kits will be in 1/20th scale. I am a little disappointed in that. Would've liked to see them in 1/25th scale. First is the cost, second there are only a few 1/20 scale Indy cars. There is the old MPC Turbine car and the Tamiya 93 Lola. There are a couple of resin 1/20th, but that's all I can think of off hand.

There are far more 1/25 scale Indy cars and it would've made for a better donor kit along with all the other possibilities for a new car in 1/25.

Jim

That is most disappointing

[illeagle10]

I certainly will purchase a couple, but not as many as if they were in 1/25th scale. I most likely would've bought them by the case if they were 1/25th. That is what I did with the AMT and Revell kits. I think in the end the 1/20 scale will hurt their sales and then it will be another twenty years till we see another model of an Indy car, if at all.  This is what happened with Tamiya and we only ever saw one Indy car from them the 93 Lola.  No other Indy cars ever came of it.  Tamiya tried to put their Indy car model in the same scale as their F1 series.  While is was a very good kit, I believe they would've had even better sales in 1/25th.  Just think of all the things that could've been with that kit if it would've been produced in 1/25? 

Jim

[MikeB]

Aug 10, 2023 11:07:59 GMT -5 illeagle10 said:

I certainly will purchase a couple, but not as many as if they were in 1/25th scale. I most likely would've bought them by the case if they were 1/25th. That is what I did with the AMT and Revell kits. I think in the end the 1/20 scale will hurt their sales and then it will be another twenty years till we see another model of an Indy car, if at all.  This is what happened with Tamiya and we only ever saw one Indy car from them the 93 Lola.  No other Indy cars ever came of it.  Tamiya tried to put their Indy car model in the same scale as their F1 series.  While is was a very good kit, I believe they would've had even better sales in 1/25th.  Just think of all the things that could've been with that kit if it would've been produced in 1/25? 

Jim

I agree 100%

[illeagle10]

I think it’s funny to hear some people say that Indy car modeling has been dead for the past decade. I don’t know where they have been! Lance Sellers and Kevin Kuzman from Silver City have been working their tails off bringing us some the best Indy car models we’ve seen in a long time! We are certainly seeing many of our dreams come true from such people! I only hope they keep producing these gems!

I don’t know if the Indy car modeling community has grown or not. We certainly have seen the growth in active members and quality building here on this board with some of the best Indy car modeling I’ve seen in a long time!
It will be nice to see a new Indy car from a major manufacturer. I just hope we are not repeating history! That was the problem with the Tamiya kit. Minichamps was making the same car in 1/18, which also hurt the sales of the Tamiya kit because 1/18 is so close to 1/20. I see that same thing will most likely happen with Greenlight. Replicarz is already advertising the Greenlight 2023 Indy winner in 1/18 for $75.00. Salvino's 1/24 kits cost on the average around $40.00. So, I would figure that a Salvino 1/20 scale kit will be almost as much as Greenlight's diecast!

There are some saying that this is a good move to 1/20 because that is where the F1 community builds and are trying to move Indy car globally. Many of those same thoughts about cutting into the F1 crowd were the same arguments for the Tamiya Lola. Heck! You had Nigel Mansell for goodness sake, driving the Lola at that time. What more could you ask for! That didn't materialize into giving us anymore Indy cars from Tamiya. Of course much of that happened almost 30 years ago, so I guess I'm showing my age. I don't know how many here would remember that? By the way, when was the last time Tamiya kitted a F1 car in 1/20 scale? Why have we not seen anything from Beemax, Ebbro and Fujimi lately in their 1/20 scale line? It seems lately that even F1 can't generate F1 models from major manufacturers! So it does surprise me that Salvino JR comes to us with a new Indycar kit!  That does make me happy!  As stated, earlier, whatever happens, I just hope we are not repeating history here, because I would like to see more Indy cars from them, especially when Indycar changes formula. 

I would hope that if the kit is to come in 1/20, that this might generate a backdate of the current chassis to 2018 and 19, as well as the Dallara IR-12 and previous IR-05 chassis for us builders. I know the aftermarket people making parts and decals will have a field day with it! Unfortunately I just don’t foresee other versions happening as I already have those cars along with many other people in 1/18. However, if we are lucky, we might see some older Indy car kits that we haven’t seen in a long time, Salvino JR has been noted for that. We can only hope!

Jim

[MikeB]

Aug 12, 2023 10:59:05 GMT -5 illeagle10 said:

I think it’s funny to hear some people say that Indy car modeling has been dead for the past decade. I don’t know where they have been! Lance Sellers and Kevin Kuzman from Silver City have been working their tails off bringing us some the best Indy car models we’ve seen in a long time! We are certainly seeing many of our dreams come true from such people! I only hope they keep producing these gems!

I don’t know if the Indy car modeling community has grown or not. We certainly have seen the growth in active members and quality building here on this board with some of the best Indy car modeling I’ve seen in a long time!
It will be nice to see a new Indy car from a major manufacturer. I just hope we are not repeating history! That was the problem with the Tamiya kit. Minichamps was making the same car in 1/18, which also hurt the sales of the Tamiya kit because 1/18 is so close to 1/20. I see that same thing will most likely happen with Greenlight. Replicarz is already advertising the Greenlight 2023 Indy winner in 1/18 for $75.00. Salvino's 1/24 kits cost on the average around $40.00. So, I would figure that a Salvino 1/20 scale kit will be almost as much as Greenlight's diecast!

There are some saying that this is a good move to 1/20 because that is where the F1 community builds and are trying to move Indy car globally. Many of those same thoughts about cutting into the F1 crowd were the same arguments for the Tamiya Lola. Heck! You had Nigel Mansell for goodness sake, driving the Lola at that time. What more could you ask for! That didn't materialize into giving us anymore Indy cars from Tamiya. Of course much of that happened almost 30 years ago, so I guess I'm showing my age. I don't know how many here would remember that? By the way, when was the last time Tamiya kitted a F1 car in 1/20 scale? Why have we not seen anything from Beemax, Ebbro and Fujimi lately in their 1/20 scale line? It seems lately that even F1 can't generate F1 models from major manufacturers! So it does surprise me that Salvino JR comes to us with a new Indycar kit!  That does make me happy!  As stated, earlier, whatever happens, I just hope we are not repeating history here, because I would like to see more Indy cars from them, especially when Indycar changes formula. 

I would hope that if the kit is to come in 1/20, that this might generate a backdate of the current chassis to 2018 and 19, as well as the Dallara IR-12 and previous IR-05 chassis for us builders. I know the aftermarket people making parts and decals will have a field day with it! Unfortunately I just don’t foresee other versions happening as I already have those cars along with many other people in 1/18. However, if we are lucky, we might see some older Indy car kits that we haven’t seen in a long time, Salvino JR has been noted for that. We can only hope!

Jim

Jim as you know I'm in agreement with you on this and I don't want get off on a rant here but

People can call us negative bit those of us that have been in this hobby for as long as we have have seen this before

I want these kits to be a success I really do the more eyes on the hobby the better only time will tell

As for the dead indycar modling world we have been hearing this for as long as both forms have been around Bill Jorgensen said it in every post he made and almost 20 years later here we are still building still having successful aftermarket dealers

The one thing I don't understand is this talk of a booming 1/20th scale F1 industry that's a head scratcher there hasn't been a current F1 car kitted since 2017 (Ebbro McLaren and Sauber) so that's not booming the fact that there hasn't been Lewis Hamilton Mercedes points to the opposite of a booming market

Tamiya,Fujimi, Ebbro and Beemax all had kis come out they had all the top teams Ferrari, McLaren, Williams etc top drivers Senna, Mansell, Clark,etc and all of those kits with the exception of the Williams FW14B and FW16 and some of Fujimi Ferrari's were one and done that's not booming in fact most of the kits can be found at a discount on eBay or Amazon the lone exception being the Ebbro Lotus 49

Again not being negative just looking at the facts

If this is an attempt to break into an international market I don't see that happening unless something has changed Salvino's has said on more than one occasion their licensing agreements with chevy prohibits them from selling outside of North America of course that could have changed but is Josef Newgarden going to do what Ayrton Senna couldn't?

Long post I know but at the end of the day this seems like something that is going to benefit a few people in the short run but be a major detriment to the entire hobby in the long run and just might make that long standing battle cry of the indycar model hobby is dead come true

[MikeB]

Same old song just new singers I wish I could say more but unlike some I'm at work and will continue this at another time

[illeagle10]

Well Mike,

I guess some toes have been stepped on and some feelings hurt! That was not meant to be. I was looking for some good conversation about this, but I guess it's not to be. I really do wish that Salvino JR does really well with this new Indy car model venture. I just hope this is not the last to be seen for another 20 or 30 years, as we've seen this all happen before and that is all I was saying. I just really feel for all of the Indy car builders out there, because if it happens again as before we won't be seeing another new Indy car model, after this one, in my life time. This is a big risk and I hope that it is a good one! I wish all those that have invested in it do well. I know it’s about their bottom line not ours. This is the last I have to say about this issue. We move forward and onward.

Jim

[MikeB]

You never score by consistently moving the goal line

anyway I'm going to crack into my stash of 25 unbuilt 1/25 kits and build a model after all isn't that what this is all about building models and not worrying about money and clout

[illeagle10]

Your right Mike, the best thing to do is to build! This discussion has certainly encouraged me to get back to building. I know I have a few projects that I have neglected and need to get back to. I also would like to start a couple of new ones.

Jim

[tonyk]

I've read different opinions on different message boards on the scale issue but would think this board has the biggest Indy car enthusiasts. Not to diminish anyone else's opinion as they are just as important.

It is an interesting decision to create a 1/20th scale when you look back on the history of Indy car kits. I have shelves of 1/25th models displayed and was perfectly happy with them and would be happy to continue that trend.

I suppose a 1/20th scale would appeal to the modeler who wants to display 1 or 2 of them. I could also see this larger scale producing some nice detail but again, I'm happy with the smaller scale. Then there's the cost.....

[MikeB]

Aug 16, 2023 11:01:31 GMT -5 tonyk said:

I've read different opinions on different message boards on the scale issue but would think this board has the biggest Indy car enthusiasts. Not to diminish anyone else's opinion as they are just as important.

It is an interesting decision to create a 1/20th scale when you look back on the history of Indy car kits. I have shelves of 1/25th models displayed and was perfectly happy with them and would be happy to continue that trend.

I suppose a 1/20th scale would appeal to the modeler who wants to display 1 or 2 of them. I could also see this larger scale producing some nice detail but again, I'm happy with the smaller scale. Then there's the cost.....

Only time will tell with these Jim and myself have made our opinions clear neither one of us has any financial attachment to these kits so we are simply speaking from the heart with unbiased minds

We appreciate you being here Tony